{"id":1987,"date":"2013-10-27T15:00:10","date_gmt":"2013-10-27T19:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/posturemag.com\/?p=1987"},"modified":"2016-11-11T14:45:03","modified_gmt":"2016-11-11T19:45:03","slug":"katie-cercone-interviews-brooklyns-reigning-cunt-king-of-the-underground","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/posturemag.com\/online\/katie-cercone-interviews-brooklyns-reigning-cunt-king-of-the-underground\/","title":{"rendered":"Katie Cercone Interviews Brooklyn\u2019s Reigning CUNT King of the Underground"},"content":{"rendered":"

CUNT MAFIA NEW WORLD ORDER<\/strong><\/p>\n

Author: Katie Cercone<\/p>\n

Photography by Marie Tomanova<\/em><\/p>\n

KC: Why don\u2019t you tell me where you are from, how you became a Female MC and what your early work was like?<\/p>\n

CM: I\u2019m from New York, born and raised. I was once a Long Island Italian Princess. She lived far far away about an hour from NYC and would take the Long Island railroad as she pleased until she could learn how to drive and then she started taking the LIE to the Midtown Tunnel before she learned about the BQE and the Williamsburg Bridge. I would rave, party. I was punk and goth growing up and I never really liked rap until Lil Kim. I was always a fashion girl, a Betsy Johnson girl, you know being a Long Island Princess with mommy shopping. I was obsessed with fashion. The Lunachicks was sort of the first live punk band that incorporated fashion with the streets, you know being pretty-ugly. Courtney Love was definitely an icon mixing fashion in the punk sense. Then Lil Kim came along and just started giving me swag incorporated with the punk. I had already been ghetto punk so by the time I was in my twenties I had been molded into this NYC melting pot of everything that\u2019s cool. I\u2019ve been sitting on myself a little bit in terms of really making music because I\u2019ve just been MC-ing at parties, freestyling over beats, nothing written, nothing memorized. I\u2019m a dancer too so when I\u2019m dancing I can just like talk to the beat. I\u2019m a character, over the top. I\u2019m like crazy so if I just say something with animation it\u2019s like a Nicki Minaj moment where she could be saying this and all of a sudden it\u2019s rapping, you know? You\u2019re just hyper-personifying yourself.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: So you would throw parties?<\/p>\n

CM: I would throw parties and MC and host on the mic and I just realized I have a knack. I love being on stage. I\u2019m not a social person in terms of like daily things but when it comes to being on stage and performing I turn into a different character. It took me a while to really get the ego and confidence enough to like say fuck everybody. This is what I\u2019m doing, and this is who I am. To really do it my way. Not the standard rapping and the standard girly girl shit. No I got a butch personality. I\u2019m aggressive, I\u2019m Italian, fuck! I just started not giving a fuck, being who I am and getting comfortable with that.<\/p>\n

KC: Is that when people really started responding to your work?<\/p>\n

CM: Yes, definitely.\u00a0 A lot of people just see me as like \u201cOh there\u2019s Contessa fighting and arguing again\u2026\u201d Until I got an iPhone a year ago. It literally changed my life because I could be on Twitter non-stop, Facebook non-stop\u2026 on the go and also communicating with people through iMessage and blah blah blah. I could do things instantly and join that art world corporate mentality of getting things done quick.\u00a0 I also just started getting more clever with the things I was Twittering about. I adopted the mindset that I can self-promote and I don\u2019t need someone to come in and tell me what to do. I can just become this personality and have people start relating to it and wanting to emulate it. Making women embrace that \u201cfuck you\u201d type mentality.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: Are you a feminist?<\/p>\n

CM: I\u2019m definitely a feminist. It\u2019s very political but it\u2019s a modern take on Feminism. It\u2019s urban, it\u2019s street. It\u2019s not this like old school way of thinking. I\u2019m not from the art world. I\u2019m from the streets. Women that will respond to me are up on what\u2019s going on in the world right now. It\u2019s not dated, it\u2019s a new world order! General feminism, I just think of like L Word, money, LA, corporate dinners, art world shit\u2026 it\u2019s not about that who gives a shit about your designer two-piece suit and your silk tie? It\u2019s also incorporating things that a feminist might not see as so PC because I really like to push the boundaries.<\/p>\n

KC: Like your name?<\/p>\n

CM: Cunt Mafia came from a mix of things. When I was recently watching old Courtney Love concerts (Even though I saw Courtney Love in concert when I was like eleven in 1994\u2026) I later went and watched on Youtube, a whole show before she got all glamorized by the music industry or you know\u2026 sold out\u2026 she was literally screaming \u201cEverybody say CUNT! Everybody say N*****!\u201d This is literally why people love Courtney Love. She had to have some balls\u2026she\u2019s just bat shit crazy. At the time, she was out of her mind on drinking, drugs, whatever\u2026 there was just something about Courtney Love I really related to. I consider her a feminist even though she never called herself one (to my knowledge). She\u2019s still around, she\u2019s still relevant. She\u2019s a strong female whatever you think about her. I was looking at a young Courtney Love, the things that she was saying to push the boundaries with. Like oh shit I saw the artist in her not what the music industry has made out of her.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC:\u00a0 What do you think the music industry made out of her?<\/p>\n

CM: Obviously a tabloid joke. Every celebrity is a tabloid joke. Everything in the world right now is from the male perspective, even the gay male perspective. It is about making fun of women. The Lindsay Lohans\u2026 they only like women when they\u2019re down. When Amanda Bynes was doing Disney movies making millions of dollars no one gave a shit about her she probably only had like 100,000 Twitter fans. Now all of the sudden she\u2019s a mess\u2026 It gives you a hint how the gay male perspective infiltrates heterosexual society which infiltrates the tabloids which infiltrates society which infiltrates the mental disorder which Amanda Bynes probably just has and needs help for. But they\u2019re glamorizing it, look Britney Spears shaves her head!! Gay men are running the world right now and it\u2019s about making fun of women when they\u2019re down same thing with Courtney Love. They\u2019re commodifying making women look bad.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had my problems with alcohol and drugs. A few years ago I\u2019d be seen being ratcheter than all of them. Now that I have strength and I\u2019ve become aware of where alcohol and drugs can take me I\u2019m literally on top of my game. You can\u2019t stop me.<\/p>\n

KC: What do you mean gay males are running the world? Do you mean the art world?<\/p>\n

CM: I mean what we think of in terms of fashion. I don\u2019t see many women designers when we\u2019re talking about fashion. Fashion runs the world. Tabloids are like the old housewife. The gay male is the new housewife. Especially gay white men have expendable income. They fuck men every day, they go to gay cruises, they go to gay clubs. Besides their mother how many women do they have to interact with (on their level)? The male dominance factor must be higher than a straight male at least he\u2019s got to fuck a woman. They\u2019re running the world and they never have to interact with a woman if they don\u2019t want to.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: What about feminism and language. How do you feel about the rampant misogyny in rap? And the profanity? Is it ever okay for a white woman to say the N-word?<\/p>\n

CM: When I\u2019m drunk wasted I might have said it with the A at the end but at the end of the day I\u2019m not trying to disrespect nobody. I heard from queer sources Iggy Azalea was saying it on Twitter one day and I heard these queer sources were coming at her, and she even responded like an idiot! You know what I mean? I\u2019m not emulating anything. I\u2019m from New York. I\u2019m not a rapper from Australia fronting she\u2019s from the south. I\u2019m actually representing New York. I\u2019m a New York Italian white female. I\u2019m something that exists like a Marisa Tomei. I\u2019m not a made up fairy fantasy. The way I talk is actually how we talk on the streets. We are the fashion fore-fronters of the street wear my NYC people. The words we make up all start with us. HAM started with us. \u201cI\u2019m Carrying\u201d \u2013 that\u2019s House of La Dosha (I credit them with a lot of the words). We created these words and the fashions that are this queer culture right now. Now I use misogyny back at misogyny half the time. Like one of my freestyles goes like \u201cthe only dick I wanna suck today is my own dick\u2026 what am I gonna do my dick is bigger than yours.\u201d Literally. The shit that these people rap about, think that they’re the fuckin OG lover, the OG Shabba Ranks or some shit! As a dominant strong women\u2026I could probably out-write you, out-dress you out-freestyle you out-everything you. I\u2019m just saying in a general scope of things, when you realize your power, no one can fuck with you.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: How old are you?<\/p>\n

CM: I\u2019m old enough. Also my music I would make back then\u2026 compared to what I\u2019m talking about now it\u2019s like night and day. I went through hell and back. I\u2019ve been to God and back, you know? There\u2019s going to be a lot of ugly in honesty and if I don\u2019t make it because I\u2019m not willing to sell out? Cool. I just want to be comfortable. I got hit up by a woman who wants to run for senator her second time. She\u2019s like \u201cEveryone wants me to lose weight\u2026 blah blah blah\u2026 but I look up to you.\u201d She\u2019s like in fucking Kansas or something running for senate talking to me on Facebook about how she looks up to me as a strong women. I have girls who email me \u201cI\u2019m plus size and I wore a crop top today I feel good about myself.\u201d I got gay girls, gay boys\u2026 they all want to be my children House of Cunt Mafia because I have this edgy BossBitch attitude. I\u2019ve created stars, people started at my raves who are making money. I\u2019m just like this old wise grandmother. Maybe my claim to life is to guide people, to be an energy field for people. I just don\u2019t want to be an old woman living in a shoe (laughs). Mother in a trap house. You know what I mean?<\/p>\n

KC: I\u2019m reading the Female MC as a type of shamanic figure, you know it\u2019s a healing thing even just you making fun of yourself on stage\u2026<\/p>\n

CM: It is healing.<\/p>\n

KC: Using comedy, being this icon of social-emotional uplift\u2026<\/p>\n

CM: I use comedy because there\u2019s a lot of pain. The funniest people are the most depressed people in the world. Every comedian I can think of battled with drugs or problems. You have to make fun of the ugly parts of yourself to show that you are confident in yourself. The first thing people are going to say about me is \u201coh she\u2019s fat\u201d or \u201cshe\u2019s okay.\u201d I have to be like \u201cI\u2019m the big girl, oh the big girl\u2019s on stage now.\u201d I say shit like that because it\u2019s addressing the elephant in the room. If you make people want to laugh with you then… \u201coh she\u2019s funny\u2026 I see her eyes she\u2019s pretty.\u201d The thing is when I\u2019m doing shows in New York, no shade, black men love big girls and no shade urban any size. But what about when I start going to middle America and the audience is 90% white boys? When I\u2019m doing a hip hop show in Brooklyn they fuck with me. They think I\u2019m sexy. I\u2019m a sex symbol to them: Contessa. I\u2019m a big rave thrower I have my name in New York. But when I\u2019m in fuckin I don\u2019t know Idaho with like 30 people in a show on tour or like a motorcycle bar in Missouri and doing metal mixed with rap with like an all black band people are going to be fucking confused, like what the fuck is this?<\/p>\n

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Contessa with the rapper Quay Dash \u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n

KC: And in a show situation, it\u2019s usually all male rappers and they have a female mc\/host\/eye candy\u2026 is that typical? Do you consider yourself a rapper? Do you want to be up there with like half female rappers?<\/p>\n

CM: My parties are \u201cC-UNIT\u201d that\u2019s Cunt Unit, Whorehouse and Cherry Bomb. They\u2019re all female names. It\u2019s a female-free zone all my parties girls can be topless no girl gets harassed. These hetero parties girls be getting harassed because they\u2019re male dominated. Come to a Contessa party it\u2019s going to be heavily gay, heavily female. The straight men come because they want to be around sexy ladies or they just want to be in a sexy atmosphere. I did a Flatbush Zombie show, I\u2019m the only female MC, the crowd is mostly teenage boys, other zombies and I freestyle and I kill it. But you have to be good. I\u2019m obviously a rapper if I can make a Flatbush zombies crowd bump up and down and go apeshit over a freestyle. I just made it up on the fly. I\u2019m just that type of person.\u00a0 I walk up on stage and I do a little comedy at first. I\u2019m a character, I\u2019m plus size. Then I go onstage and it\u2019s like who is this crazy ass bitch she\u2019s not looking like a slut she\u2019s not dressed like Iggy Azalea or a Miley Virus and she\u2019s not skinny like those dumb bitches and she\u2019s not a fake product. I introduced myself to the people who didn\u2019t know who I was. I\u2019m like \u201cI\u2019m the premier underground,\u201d I\u2019ll be like \u201cfuck the police!\u201d That\u2019s what people want to hear. It\u2019s a rave, it\u2019s a hip hop show. This is the feminist moment, this is the pinnacle of it all: My name is Cunt Mafia, it\u2019s a Flatbush Zombies show and they\u2019re rappin about smoking weed, drugs, saying the n-word constantly, whore, hoe, fuck this bitch you know\u2026 every lyric is something like that. Meanwhile the people that throw the show they say \u201cWe don\u2019t want her to say the words cunt, whore, or whorehouse.\u201d I\u2019m Cunt Mafia! I was told not to curse, I was not allowed to say my name Cunt Mafia anymore. It\u2019s because it was an all ages show but then tell me why the men can be rapping \u201cI\u2019m putting my dick between her titts.\u201d The strong powerful woman comes on stage \u201cOh she can\u2019t say cunt, she can\u2019t say whore, she can\u2019t talk about dick, she can\u2019t talk about sex.\u201d<\/p>\n

KC: They\u2019re your<\/i> words to reclaim.<\/p>\n

CM: That\u2019s what it is. I was stuck on the summer stage, I be like \u201capparently I can\u2019t say my name anymore so I\u2019m going to spell it\u201d and I said \u201cC-U-N-T M-A-F-I-A.\u201d So ridiculous. The definition of misogyny, you know? But I still killed it. They can\u2019t hate. It\u2019s not necessarily the crowd, the audience is malleable, people are always looking to learn about something new especially at that age. 14-19 year olds you can change their belief systems. Honestly I get more positive feedback from straight hetero men. They say \u201cI fuck with Cunt Mafia, I want to wear a Cunt Mafia hat.\u201d Women growing up in society feel like they\u2019re saying a dirty word. Men already have the power to say dirty words so a girl might not be so apt to use the word but these dudes are more into it, you know?<\/p>\n

KC: Do you feel like, being in the scene a long time, there\u2019s suddenly this mainstream acceptance of queer culture or seeming acceptance? Mykki Blanco is getting all this attention as a \u201ctransgender rapper,\u201d what\u2019s happening? Do you feel like it\u2019s being exploited?<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

CM: I\u2019m more mad about the shade within<\/i> the community. I don\u2019t care what the world thinks. Obviously we\u2019re all queer and we\u2019re all weird and we just want to make art (money in return). No one is coming for anyone\u2019s look\/aesthetic. If we\u2019re all ahead of the curb we\u2019re all going to catch it at the same time, we should all just be positive. In New York it\u2019s a \u201cBubble\u201d of fame projected. There\u2019s a few people actually making money around the world, Mykki being one of them, but we actually don\u2019t know how many people are at any artists show in Florida; there could be ten people at the show. You\u2019re not going to really twitter about it, but as an artist you\u2019re grateful to just be doin\u2019 you.<\/p>\n

KC: The internet is a big smoke screen.<\/p>\n

CM: These festivals in Europe those thirty-thousand people that you\u2019re instagramming at your concert are not just there for you and you\u2019re probably on the side stage and it\u2019s a three-day festival. Those 100,000 people are there for the festival not there for you. It is a smoke screen. People are eating off of it and I want to be eating off of it too. It\u2019s the Record Industry. There\u2019s a lot of things I need to learn though in terms of like stage performing. I\u2019m a big girl, I got to figure out how I\u2019m going to dance around the stage, I got to get my Beth Ditto on, you know? You got to crawl before you can walk and some people are walking before they even get to their crawl. A lot of us online are just showing off to our New York friends, I\u2019m this, I\u2019m that\u2026 but the queer identity is getting muddled. I mean the artists in New York I highly respect. We\u2019re all fashionable. We all get it, we\u2019re all ahead of the time in sound. I don\u2019t know what a person in middle America looks at Mykki Blanco and thinks; I don\u2019t know what they\u2019re going to think when they look at me. In Europe they get it more, but Europe\u2019s a little dated. They\u2019re still stuck on like a drag queen cigarette bar. They\u2019re not really understanding what an American New York queer is.<\/p>\n

KC: Do you make your beats?<\/p>\n

CM: I do not make my beats but I creative direct them all. I\u2019m always in the studio with producers, I tell them what I want, the aesthetic\u2026 everything from scratch. I write all my lyrics. I like live instruments, I\u2019d like to collaborate with live instruments. I don\u2019t have money, I don\u2019t have management. The biggest rappers are people that started with a team of people working with them. A$ap Rocky to Theophilus London, they had friends as managers, now they are traveling the world. It\u2019s hard to do fifty things plus than have a day job to pay rent. I don\u2019t sell drugs. Plus I\u2019m trying to not be in the nightlife as much. I just released my song \u201cReign in Ratchet\u201d working with this grammy award-winning producer Proper Villians. All of the producers I\u2019ve been working with have seen something in me. SSION asked me to be on his new album. It\u2019s just networking. Being a rave promoter and kind of an icon of New York I\u2019ve skipped multiple ladders of having to work with beginner producers.<\/p>\n

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Contessa and the rapper Quay Dash \u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: Do you have any singles out?<\/p>\n

CM: I\u2019m working on my EP right now. Think I\u2019m going to call it Cult Classic<\/i>, because I\u2019m a cult classic. I didn\u2019t realize how long this process takes. It\u2019s crazy to see performing is a lot of energy, mostly just a lot of nerves. I respect people so much more now that I\u2019ve performed because I didn\u2019t know. It was always a dream of mine that I sat on. You know what a lot of it had to do with? My self-esteem\u2026 \u201coh people wouldn\u2019t get me I\u2019m too weird.\u201d Right now it\u2019s okay to be weird. But a lot of people are faking the weird. Now there\u2019s a place for me, back then I thought I had to lose weight\u2026<\/p>\n

There hasn\u2019t been a Missy Elliot or a Queen Latifah style person – Ricki Lake type person – in like oh ten years.<\/p>\n

KC: Why do you think that is?<\/p>\n

CM: Because people are fat phobic in the rap industry and mainstream music. It glorifies beauty so much that it\u2019s suicidal for women. Women are legitimately suicidal for positive male attention. You could be like gorgeous but those girls too are just love starved, food starved\u2026and they\u2019re not doing it for themselves. Puppets of the Industry; the Miley Virus. My friend she can write and sing and she\u2019s helping me with my PR and I\u2019m like \u201cYou can make it\u201d and she\u2019s like \u201cI just want to be fat, happy and black,\u201d because she knows that it\u2019s going to be a fucking hell hole if you want to come out with music. She\u2019d rather write the music, stay in the background and be fat. I\u2019d rather stay in the forefront being fat (laughs) and honestly to be plus size you have to be really good. Like the shit that these skinny girls put out is it even audible? Do they even write it? Do they even come up with any of it? Do they style themselves? Do they do anything for themselves?! And they\u2019re traveling the world making money, money!! MONEY!!! I mean you look at them before street wear got really big and they\u2019re fashionably tragic. The internet is useful, you can literally be skinny and pretty, put out shit and get a million views and make money. If you\u2019re going to be plus size you have to be good, because it\u2019s a brutal world out there.<\/p>\n

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\u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: What about sex? Arts and popular culture is so hypersexualized and yet there\u2019s still this squeamishness around sexuality. It feels very polarized \u2013 let\u2019s not even talk about Miley Cyrus but you know what I mean? How can we be sex-positive instead of hypersexed?<\/p>\n

CM: I think twerking is racist.<\/p>\n

KC: Do you ever feel shame when you are doing something hypersexual \u2013 how do people respond to your work?<\/p>\n

CM: I don\u2019t feel shame. People are used to it by now, that they are just seeing me with my titties out\u2026 I just need to get paid for that.<\/p>\n

KC: And being objectified? Selling yourself?<\/p>\n

CM: I don\u2019t though, I don\u2019t do that. I make sure the secret to my potion is a secret. I don\u2019t look like a basic bitch on stage. I don\u2019t look like sex on stage I am<\/i> sex. Know what I mean? I\u2019m not a model and I don\u2019t have to look like sex. These girls\u2026they may look sexy but you don\u2019t exude sex. I personally don\u2019t even want to fuck you, you look like you\u2019re going to lay in bed. A lot of my friends are gay men because they exude sexuality. And they are faggots, they are not stereotypically gay men. I may have my titties out but it\u2019s more like vulgar\u2026over the top\u2026 There\u2019s a picture of me in the New Yorker with two black boys sucking on my titties at the same time at my show. They\u2019re wearing some Jordans that are hard to find. That\u2019s banjee, sucking my titties in rare jordans? That\u2019s CUNT, that is the definition of cunt. It\u2019s a BossBitch. Not everyone is going to get it or understand it. They\u2019ll look at my name on twitter and be like \u201cwho\u2019s this fat bitch with her titties out?\u201d Everyone calls someone fat and ugly that\u2019s the first word they revert to. You know how I fight? I go for actual flaws. You wanna come for me I will read you to filth. So sexuality\u2026 I just use it to say \u201cfuck you\u201d but I don\u2019t do it in a pornographic Broke Candy \u201cI\u2019m a slut from LA!!\u201d type way. There\u2019s just doing it because they\u2019re watching people like me do it right<\/i> and they\u2019re doing it wrong<\/i>. I used to be riot grrl. I was raised on punk. I grew up on the streets. I know what cunt, dyke and faggot means within the punk rock community. That\u2019s why I have been saying cunt for ten years. I was the first cunt on fucking twitter, had to have been. Now everyone says cunt it\u2019s on Jeremy Scott<\/em> hats now. It\u2019s not real\u2026 you\u2019re not cunt in your cunt hat and your cunt shirt! You don\u2019t use the word cunt you ACT cunt. You ACT sexuality you don\u2019t wear it you don\u2019t look it or embody it. Madonna when she was at her prime she could be wearing a full pinstriped suit with her hair slicked back and that bitch was bad. She created the word pop star and the whole music industry just keeps trying to produce the new Madonna. I\u2019M THE NEW MADONNA AND IT\u2019S A NEW WORLD ORDER. Look at the rap industry look at Tyler the Creator, a weirdo\u2026I\u2019m a variation of that for women. I\u2019m not a stereotypically beautiful woman. No pretty bitch is gonna be the next Madonna.<\/p>\n

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KC: And let\u2019s talk about homophobia in hip hop\u2026<\/p>\n

CM: It\u2019s huge<\/p>\n

KC: How does that effect your work? You\u2019re in rap and then you\u2019re in the queer ballroom scene \u2013 how do the two intermix?<\/p>\n

CM: A$ap Rocky took that to his advantage as well\u2026 he\u2019s playing the game right.<\/p>\n

KC: He\u2019s very effeminate, he\u2019s pretty\u2026<\/p>\n

CM: His look is Shane Oliver, that\u2019s his look, that\u2019s the designer of Hood by Air, people don\u2019t know that in middle America. I know that because I live in New York. A$ap dresses like a gay man of New York, that\u2019s what it is. It\u2019s a fact. I\u2019m not coming for anybody, I\u2019m not saying anything negative. It\u2019s fact: the gay boys do it first. People wear kilts now!!\u00a0 Who was doing that? Gays are always two years advanced of fashion.<\/p>\n

KC: Do you have shows where the homophobia becomes oppressive?<\/p>\n

CM: Always<\/p>\n

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Contessa with the rapper Quay Dash | \u00a9 Marie Tomanova<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

KC: And how about now and seven years ago when you started out, is it better?<\/p>\n

CM: The difference is huge. I mean that\u2019s why I created my parties. This is a first world matter! I see misogyny and homophobia even in our own community, most people don\u2019t see the whole picture. I\u2019m from the streets I see it real. I\u2019m not so PC. I see the person for what they are and what they are trying to do. Just because I have some homophobic friends\u2026I\u2019m in the hip hop world\u2026thing is they\u2019re all probably getting their dick sucked by my gay friend in the bathroom right now. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s really going on. I could tell a trans woman chaser\/straight man in the hip hop community in a second. That\u2019s why I started my own parties to be around people that get it. I promote the hip hop community as a whole. There\u2019s going to be a few transgender girls, there\u2019s going to be a few gay men in crop tops and there\u2019s going to be hood dudes looking for pussy, there\u2019s going to be girls looking for dick and there\u2019s going to be girls looking for girls.<\/p>\n

KC: How come I haven\u2019t been to these parties? In Bushwick or in the city?<\/p>\n

CM: Bushwick. I don\u2019t do the city unless I\u2019m getting paid. I have a lot of my own biases in the queer community. I don\u2019t always feel like I fit in at some times. I\u2019m not a scholar I am the prophet. I don\u2019t watch TV. I don\u2019t watch music videos. I don\u2019t go on Youtube. I don\u2019t look at what other pop stars are doing.<\/p>\n

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KC: You talked about struggling with drugs and alcohol and also getting out of the nightlife scene. How can we make hip hop accessible outside of after-hours? How do we envision something where it’s not such a trap for the ego, sex, drugs, etc?<\/p>\n

CM: You get caught up into it! You start thinking this is Hollywood. You start thinking I\u2019m a star or these people are going to make me into a star. NO. You just see the same girls who think they\u2019re New York socialites. All you guys are doing is drugs until 8 in the morning. Now I throw my parties a lot more sporadically; I go out now and I\u2019m getting paid. I\u2019m working. I\u2019m not partying anymore.<\/p>\n

KC: But you have the network\u2026 you had to go out to build the network\u2026<\/p>\n

CM: In the beginning you have to go out all the time. You have to do that grind. Now that I\u2019m coming out with music I need to start going to these industry invite-only parties and have to act a certain way. Everyone in the industry is doing Adderall<\/em> or cocaine and I don\u2019t want to do that. I\u2019ve been eating apples. You would not see me eating an apple a year ago you would see me babying a bottle of Georgi vodka. Like legit punching people at my own party. I usually like to fight.<\/p>\n

KC: People need to hear it from someone who can tell their story. You\u2019re a spiritual leader but you don\u2019t need to be wearing all white (unless of course your headed to C-UNIT\u2019s \u201cNYC Health & Ratchet Club\u201d dress code white). You can be swearing and talking about how you did this and now you do that.<\/p>\n

CM: Once you know your power you can really change the world. I don\u2019t know what a Miley Cyrus video is. I don\u2019t know what twerking is. I\u2019m a better dancer than all those girls. I was the only white bitch in the club ten years ago. I\u2019m pre-racism and pre-modern interracial lifestyle. I was the original one.<\/p>\n

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KC: Before Madonna?<\/p>\n

CM: Well not before Madonna. I mean in the context of being Original and authentic. A dream can make millions and so can a puppet bitch.<\/p>\n

KC: Madonna did a lot for taboos around sexuality, race and class. And yet people criticize her, bell hooks called her a \u201cplantation overseer in a slave based economy.\u201d How would you respond to the criticism around \u201cracial mimicry\u201d?<\/p>\n

CM: Male rap is making it okay for basic white woman appropriators of black culture to become famous. They are allowing the black community to feel excluded from music\u2019s pop charts. Glorifying idiot bitches and making them albums because the bitch comes from money IS Modern SLAVERY. But imagine black men are all fucking white bitches and I can\u2019t talk about wanting black dick?! Get the fuck out of here. I\u2019m going to talk about how I got Jungle Fever. Like why you allowed to talk about fucking white bitches and I can\u2019t talk about how I\u2019ve only had sex with black men for the past seven years. Or trans boys and black girls.<\/p>\n

KC: Well you can but there is this sort of stock criticism around cultural appropriation or for instance accusing you of \u201caccessorizing with Black people\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

CM: GURL! Madonna was in the eighties when she was like 19-20 years old dating Basquiat. That\u2019s a real bitch. Sorry. She wasn\u2019t on MTV making millions of dollars when she was just a weirdo artist with Basquiat, cuddling\u2026 having sex with her boyfriend Basquiat get the fuck out of here with that! They were old town New York weirdos. Just cuz she does what she likes? Get the fuck out of here with that. Madonna created the word pop star with Michael Jackson. People are still following the same formula. If you keep doing the same thing expecting new results that\u2019s the definition of insanity. No new Madonna coming out. Lady Gaga is trash her music is trash she doesn\u2019t stand for anything.<\/p>\n

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KC: You are Italian<\/p>\n

CM: I\u2019m in Dazed and Confused Magazine as \u201cBig Blonde Madonna\u201d \u2013 they made me look exactly like Madonna, they Photoshopped my chin out! Made me look about twenty pounds thinner but they made me look exactly like Madonna.<\/p>\n

KC: Did they ask you first? How did you feel about that?<\/p>\n

CM: I loved it, it was great. I mean\u2026there are people out there with vine videos. You see the curves. You see the body. The photographer had already shot me for V Magazine the size issue so you already see where it\u2019s like my whole body. It\u2019s not like he\u2019s ignorant. We used to put \u201cRiot not Diet\u201d in magazines. We used to hang signs from the BQE \u201cPussy Power\u201d or some shit. No one is doing any of that shit anymore. You tumble a picture of your body \u201cRiot not diet\u201d that\u2019s what you do!!!<\/p>\n

KC: Who\u2019s doing that?<\/p>\n

CM: Everyone! They\u2019re like \u201cI\u2019m showing my titties! I\u2019m a feminist!\u201d That\u2019s what people are doing. I\u2019m a little next level. I mean people love it. People following me. People live for what I\u2019ve said. I\u2019m changing minds.<\/p>\n

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KC: It\u2019s current<\/p>\n

CM: I already know what my next move is, my next look. I mean like take Versace. My EP has Versace mentions all up and down it and now its all about Versace on the radio and it\u2019s like if I were to just put my EP out now it looks like I\u2019m just following the trend when I\u2019ve been studying Versace for 15 years. I have books on Versace at my house from like middle school. I\u2019m a real fashion cunt. People don\u2019t really take fashion as Art they take it as commerce and trend. It\u2019s so beautiful to me that\u2019s why I have certain designers that I really relate to like McQueen. I see myself doing the same shit McQueen did and then just hang myself and call it a day. Make the money real beautiful a legend. I cry with those same spirits. Gianni Versace\u2026 someone come and murder me\u2026 some enraged lover! I hope I am someday successful enough someone wants to kill me, it\u2019s so beautiful to me the tragedy of a real artist. Only real artists die like that, that\u2019s how I feel (laughter) I\u2019m crazy!! I just feel like, I just love it. Nothing beats Gianni Versace. It\u2019s just sad to me how it is translated now into some like fake H&M silk print with chains on it. That\u2019s your Versace. That\u2019s America\u2019s Versace is fake silk probably polyester blend chain link print.<\/p>\n

KC: But it\u2019s affordable<\/p>\n

CM: It shouldn\u2019t be affordable. Art should never be affordable. That\u2019s the degredation of society and commercialism. What\u2019s wrong with a one of a kind $30,000 Alexander McQueen gown, what\u2019s wrong with that? Nothing at all. It should be thirty thousand dollars. It should be one of a kind. It should be in a museum. It should be only worn by specific people that deserve to wear it. The problem is they\u2019re putting basic bitches in this shit now.<\/p>\n